Rct and Cosmos2 are the two Met commenters on the site that most fit this description. https://www.mlb.com/news/daniel-camarena-grand-slam-off-max-scherzer, Wouldnt call him aging crap, but hes on the decline. Puts more AAV up front versus the higher luxury tax hit theyd eventually get if they went year to year through arbitration and/or later extensions. Not sure what your point is, but throwing 100 mph doesnt mean crap for a number of reasons, one there are guys like Mauricio Cabrera:, Bruce Rondn, Henry Alberto Rodriguez:, Joel Zumaya:, Tayron Guerrero, Bobby Parnell, who have touched 103 mph and none have made anywhere near that money and all had problems turning velocity into results. Genuinely curious. Spencer Strider's Raw Stuff Is As Good As Any MLB Starting Pitcher. One thing is certain: he divides his time between the four MLB teams. I dont count him anyway as hes not exactly in his first or second year. Look on baseballtradevalues.com, read their article on justifying Sotos value and how I criticized it before he was traded to the Padres and my calculations were almost dead on value. Brilliant! I really hope Dansby is extended and I think he will (hes a local guy and by all accounts loves being a Brave). Time will tell whether Max Fried and Dansby Swanson also factor into the teams long-term plans. And 2.003 years is nowhere near enough to qualify as a Super Two. Strider returned from his injury in 2020 and was later picked in the fourth round of the MLB 2020 draft by the Atlanta Braves, with whom he eventually signed a contract. Cant believe how many time the site posts the same comment. Doesnt take a genius to see which one is better for the team. A look at the injuries for Spencer Strider, and the financial implications. Everyone picked the Mets some even had ATL in 3rd place in the East cause Freeman left. That means he will have 2.003 so he will qualify for Super Two. Team Date Transaction; November 14, 2022: Atlanta Braves activated RHP Spencer Strider. In Texas, the nicest home I can find in the Dallas area is 20,000 sq ft for $14M. Story 16.2 WAR Another pitiful troll comment from books. To say theres no way they avoid the luxury tax is ridiculous. Austin Riley was signed to a 10-year, $212 million contract, and Michael Harris II was given an eight-year, $72 million deal. AA said as much in his interviews today when discussing Striders health, work habits, team fit, and overall excellence for his age. Soto is going back to the Nats after 2024. Some thoughtful Dodgers guys on here too. If youre Swanson, coming off this type of 2021-22 performance, why would you sign for any less than Trevor Story and Javier Baez received last winter ($140MM over six years)? I have even heard that the team holds onto properties in the New York area to rent to players to keep it affordable for them to live near the park. Judge is a high strikeout guy whose average is buoyed by his homerun total. Period. Orioles, Pirates play to 1-1 tie; Gibson's 1st start; Kremer ready for I disagree. Spencer Strider is still a rookie in the Atlanta Braves, but he's got the potential to become a professional. I have faith in you to sign you right now. Union before player, always. The Braves are taking a risk on a pitcher who has 228 innings as a professional. @Lanidrac Its very unlikely to hurt the Braves badly, since short of catastrophic injury (for which theyll probably have insurance) theyd be keeping him around anyway, shepherding him through TJ should that happen, paying arb awards, collecting insurance. It is purely a way to get extra money in the hands of 0-3 year service time players who are not arbitration eligible and subject to receiving the league minimum. Name a team who hasnt had pitchers whove fallen apart. You cant because thats the nature of pitchingas DTD said above.. Braves obviously feel Striders an outlier in that respect. If Spencer doesnt get any better than he currently is, hes still an ace. He also became the first MLB pitcher to record 200 strikeouts and allow fewer than 100 hits. Fantasy Baseball: Walking the Waiver Wire 6/12 Early Years of Spencer Strider You can project him to approach or even set some combination of Arb1, Arb2 and Arb3 records, and Strider would still probably come in under $50MM and thats assuming health and sustained dominance. Former Clemson Tigers Pitcher Spencer Strider Makes - Yardbarker While I have been a fan of the other extensions, this extension scares me a bit. 22,552nd in major league history) This is smart timing, no surprise from AA. Command was an issue at times in the minors and early in the season, but Strider markedly scaled back on the number of free passes he yielded as the season wore on, finishing out the year with an 8.5% walk rate that was scarcely north of the league average. Playoff team extra year. Soroka has pitched 13 2/3 major league innings in the past 3 years, and no one knows if he will ever return to his rookie brilliance. The Braves have extended yet another key member of their impressive young core, this time announcing a six-year, $75MM contract for right-hander Spencer Strider. Lets say you are going to a MLB game at your local stadium and for-the-sake-of-argument lets say there are only 4 seat choices: bleachers $15, nose-bleeds (2nd & 3rd deck) $40, between 1st and 3rd base behind the dugouts for $100, and a seat in a suite for $150. Hey, do you think the Braves bite the bullet and pay Swanson? If his performance stays this high he will make over $80 million in his pre-arb year and those 4 arb years. Id hate to be him if he becomes human in Atlanta over the next 6 years. Lets say Strider goes to every All-Star game for the next 6 years, wins two Cy Young awards, finishes top 10 every other season, and avoids injury. If hes just a flash in the pan, this contract will hurt the Braves badly from 2026 to 2028. From one English major to another, genius! The Braves announced a six-year contract extension for Rookie of the Year candidate Spencer Strider. Spencer frequently posts images of them hanging around and having the time of their lives. 2 things: Huh? Pads Fan. How much do you think 2 seasons of an ace in his prime would cost, when you dont have to buy his decline years in order to get the heart of his career? Grisssoms a likely utility player or trade chip. This line in the Braves press release is why you dont wait: Strider became the first player in major league history to strike out over 200 with fewer than 100 hits allowed.. So he was arb eligible for the first time during the same offseason that he would have been eligible if the Cubs never manipulated his service time. Atlanta has a chance to squeeze out of fistload of rings before the Nats come of age and steamroll the Senior Circuit. The Yankees seem to be possibly the least fan-friendly franchise in baseball. This website is not directly or indirectly affiliated, associated, or connected in any way to Major League Baseball, the National Basketball Association, the National Football League or the National Hockey League. . Should just stop there because even mentioning that website shows a complete disconnection from reality. The alternative is not extending anyone and going to find TOR (top of rotation) pitching on the free agent market where the failure rate is MUCH higher partially because the age is so much higher, along with the rate of pay. Padres fans loved it in 2017 when they locked him up, but carrying the last 3 years of that deal was brutal for them. Very much doubt it. Thanks. LOL Strider had it Right all along. For everyone that doesnt get why this contract is bad. Theres talk ones coming. Lets go Juan Soto. Besides, theyre already overpaying him in this extension in the first place. Instead, he attended Clemson University and played college baseball for the Clemson Tigers. Finally, the greater likelihood is that he probably wont be good enough to outplay what he was given because it was a dramatic overpay by a team that believes pitching will see a steep uptick in annual salary and their stupid contract with Strider is a self-fulfilling prophecy that will probably move the needle 10% across baseball due to this stupid deal. To expand on your thoughts, which I agree with completely, there is a reason a hitter and a pitcher have different projected values as prospects, despite having the same ranking overall and the same overall future value. They are most likely greatly overpaying on those arbitration years. Spencer Strider Baseball Stats by Baseball Almanac Hes played every regular season game but 2 over the last 3 years. Harvey was highly regarded as top prospect while Strider was considered middle reliever until may. You know how you can tell you are wrong? Spencer Strider signed a 6 year / $75,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Braves, including $75,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $12,500,000. He is going to see a huge raise to around $25 million this offseason. And Fried is the one you need to worry about locking up. The Braves are taking the approach knowing that not all of these deals will pay out, including Striders. Great job by signing Strider to an extension. Love to see it for the player, team and the fan base. Player page for Spencer Strider of the Atlanta Braves. The 2022 Atlanta Braves played 162 games during the regular season, won 101 games, lost 61 games, and finished in first position. Yes a 2.67 ERA is better then a 2.27 ERA. Braves fans will be the first ones screaming when all these long term signing dont work out and the team starts getting hamstrung. Mike Soroka, if he would have been extended at the same time in his career than Strider just was, would have two years of no value add to the team due to his Achilles injuries. When Cleveland was playing TB, they had lunchtime games. . The Mets performance was more surprising than the Braves. Maybe MLB realizes that they werent actually racist. Spencer Strider - Stats - The Baseball Cube | Stats and Data To be fair, the Apple games are absolutely free for anyone to watch and with no blackouts, so thats not one of the bad deals. We cant complain about how a big corporation treats people and not acknowledge when they get it right. His third career outing was his most dominant at the Major League level as Strider's strikeouts came on fastballs clocked at 99.2, 100.3, 100.3, 99.8 and 99.8 mph. The specific cutoff date varies on a year-to-year basis. Olson can go either way, I think. THIRD BASE Nolan Arenado, 3B, STL. These cookies are necessary for the website to function and cannot be switched off in our systems. He wouldnt get anywhere near the same amount of extra money in bonuses, and thats assuming he remains good enough to get additional bonuses after this year. Were talking about a position player who finished top 5 MVP both seasons leading into the arb years. Tyler Wells gets his first start of the spring against Spencer Strider. The six-year guarantee buys out Striders final two pre-arbitration seasons, all three arbitration years and what would have been his first free-agent season. These guys are gamers. The Yankees have the fattest wallets, anywhere but NY wasnt really an option. When you visit any web site, it may store or retrieve information on your browser, mostly in the form of cookies. Yeah, selling tickets is all that matters. Ask Trevor Rogers who faceplanted in 2022. Then you wont be signing him. Not great to sign long term deals to declining players. It happens, occasionally. His option is for $28M instead of $35M (still a stupid number) and suppose this is all true, Then they are taking on 6 years of risk and hoping that he becomes a inner-circle HOF pitcher without injuries over the next 6 years, so they can save $20M on his age 29 and 30 seasons? Strider will make $1 million each of the next two seasons and $4 million in 2025. Spencer Strider - Stats - Pitching | FanGraphs Baseball Spencer Strider Atlanta Braves Age: 24 Bats/Throws: R/R 6' 0" / 195 P Quick Look 2022 Pitch Summary: FA: 67% SL: 28% Prospects Report. ". Played 2019 w/a bad heel. Thats only free agent contracts. Look at the alternative, pay for TOR stuff like DET did in the offseason with Rodriguez (5 years/77M) and he was AWOL for much of the season in the 1st year of his deal. Thats fair. The Braves have no SS prospects at the upper mil levels. Strider joined Atlanta's rotation near the end of May and still ended up striking out 202 batters over 131 2/3 innings, becoming the only pitcher in MLB history to record at least 200 strikeouts with fewer than 135 innings. Strider already had TJS while he was still at Clemson. Theyve got Fried under control through 2024. Spencer Strider - Clemson Tigers Official Athletics Site The only way this deal makes sense is if Burnes and Fried get paid over $75M between their final arb year and their first two years of Free Agency. While I think the Strider extension is a good gamble on an excellent young arm, youre right that any pitcher can turn into a pumpkin due to poor health or performance. Won a World Series last year. Those numbers are very reasonable. Swanson is not as good as those guys. Would an arbitrator just look at a base salary as the springboard for a raise, or would they consider the bonuses as part of the salary when making those decisions? Spencer Strider - Wikipedia Spencer Strider was born in Columbus, Ohio on October 28, 1998. If you look at the Braves team what they have done extremely well is develop players. They average the length of the deal. 3rd ARB year was supposed to be $21.5 MM. If another team over values him based on his 2 week debut, the Braves should deal him. Harris hasnt played a season and Olson will be an albatross if a deal in 2 years. I hope we dont give Swanson more than 3 years, even if the AAV has to be high. CBA has no affect on arb money because the union wouldnt let a segment of their members benefit in terms of general contract negotiations. Spencer Strider: Strikeouts| Record| Draft| Salary| Draft He quickly established himself as one of the teams hardest fastball players. Get over it already, your team choked, you should be used to Choketober and Choketember by now. Good thing you waited until Strider got lit up in playoffs to respond. $1MM for each of the 23 and 24 season is a bargain. Apply it to all of the offensive players theyve done the same with. Jared Shuster, LHP 4. Preferably, youd also buy out another year or two of free agency at that point, as well. I dont always disagree w/you. They potentially saved a lot of money. early opt out year, incentives based on GG, SS, ASG, MVP votes. Thats $47M making his free agent year more like $28M with a $22M option. Spencer Strider has been a revelation for the Atlanta Braves in 2022 and they rewarded his incredible performance with a six-year $75 million contract. Strider will be top 2 in ROY voting. Name those Braves fans who felt that way. These cookies may be set through our site by our advertising partners. They shouldve gotten at least 3 guaranteed free agent years plus an option year for that kind of heavy payout, and even then its unnecessarily risky for the team compared to other early career extensions. Victor Vodnik, RHP 14. For a full look at the Braves' 2022 postseason schedule, click here. You do need to add a year of FA to that because 6 years takes them through his first year of FA. The braves do like to buy out arbitration years where they can. Theyre both at hpme.. And Strider got lit up, choking in the only important game hes ever pitched in. Fried is the one you need locked up. Love to see this for a team and their fan base, Win win for both sides. Using multiple accounts on the same thread shows a much bigger disconnection from reality. The Braves have to account for that in their offer. If you do not allow these cookies, you will experience less targeted advertising. Bauer was coming off a season with a 4.19 ERA and had a 4.36 ERA in parts of 6 MLB seasons when he first hit arbitration. The Braves and Mets both won 101 games. But they have shown the willingness to lock up their young stars. Sure, they have control of Fried/Wright (even via arb), but Strider is the first long-term arm. 2024: minimum It would definitely be an anomaly if the Braves hit on all this extensions. With that being said, I agree with Atlantas approach here overall but there is still a fair amount of risk involved when extending young players so early in their careers. Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. Fantasy baseball: Which prospects have fantasy value in 2023? The Watchlist: Spencer Strider, Brandon Drury, AJ Puk - FantasyPros Additionally. I rather prefer people dont respect the Braves. Should Atlanta Braves' Michael Harris II or Spencer Strider be ROY $10M (2025) He will earn $1 million per season in 2023 and 2024, $4 million in 2025, $20 million in 2026, and $22 million per season in 2027-2028. Story 16.2 WAR Figuring he sets records all along the way: $1M (2023) Brilliant. Atlanta Braves Salaries and Contracts - Outfield Fly Rule The Braves have always gotten the day slots. If his option is exercised, the deal will be worth $92 million over seven years. Know it all..not no-it-all. Imo, you made a reasonable case for your trade evaluation w/out the amateur psychological evaluation. Spencer Strider salary is $0 per year, including a $0 signing bonus. The reality is you should get a 20% discount on the overall value of what they project at today. Not a fan of it, but thats the way it works. He had two pre-arb years left and then 3 arb years before the extension. We will gladly take him, throw in 20 million of his salary as well since you feel as though youve overpaid for him? It made them woke enough to move the all star game, but now they are ok? $25M (2027) "My goal is always to outperform any expectations," Strider said. So $74.75 million for the pre-arb and 4 arb years + $72 million for the FA years = $146.75 million. Why pay him more than the ML minimum hes going to get next season (if he even makes the ML roster)? If they are playing in New York, they ask the team to pay their apartment rent or to finance the home they live in, they get extra money to offset the taxes. $140 per post at $7/CPM. They're projected to have a league-high $61.7 million in salary-cap space, . Knowing you have certain players locked allows for more flexibility. So basically they guaranteed his arbitration scale in exchange for an extra year, with an option for another year for more money.