You will cry. DVD: Amazon | B&N KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? And if that picture never reveals itself, it feels like a letdown, not a tragedy. David was a . Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. With that kind of goodness, anything is possible. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). And now it's just. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. She turns to talking of her son and calls him Gods blessing. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. First their son was murdered in Pennsylvania, then their grandson in David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance Specific in nature? David Bagby wrote Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, a best-seller in Canada in 2007, about his family's ordeal. Blu-Ray | DVD, BLU-RAY
The album includes "Andrew", the 8 minute concert work Kurt wrote and recorded in Andrew's memory in 2002. We urge everyone to write your MP (if Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if not) urging them to support MP Andrews and his bill as it moves toward a vote in the near future. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. He said, `The psychotic bitch. Oh, my God. he was fussy at all. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. KATE: I had a great childhood. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. There is a dark pull in watching the Bagby case travel to unanticipated depths, but there are no thrills. This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. You know when you see pictures of some of your friends and then pictures of their parents as kids and they look identical? Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. A review of Turner's and Zachary's deaths, released in 2006 by Winnipeg-based coroner Peter Markesteyn, concluded the provinces social services system failed Zachary and his death could have been prevented. Very, very serious. And in that way this tragedy remains hers and hers alone. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. This is how Kuenne represents his emotion at hearing the news that the woman who killed his friend had also killed his friends son. What a flaky person. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. I just want to get through medical school.'. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. Its not the sort of true crime that leaves you wanting more. Shortly after his death, she fled to Canada and settled back in St. Johns. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). They are simply good people. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson, California GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? Kuenne is able to capture the true nature of love and dedication in a way I have never seen. Because she didnt know love either. Remember these two things as I go on. Had the case played out in the U.S. court system, they believe Zachary would still be with them. Except this story is worse. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. Meeting her at 6. I am a young director, producer, stage manager, communicator, and creative organizer for theatre and multimedia artistic endeavors. In Los Angeles - August 22-28 at the Arclight Hollywood, 6360 Sunset Blvd. Bill C-464 was introduced in the House of Commons on October 22, 2009, passed the House of Commons unanimously on March 22nd of this year and passed the Senate of Canada last Thursday, December 9th, where it was sponsored by Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. Dear Zachary is as devastating as it is because it unravels the way bad things unravel in real life. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. How else do you represent almost virtually the same crime happening back to back despite the hindsight in between? I got to put on the record the fact that I would like a much stronger bill, said David. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. Dear Zachary was also a hit at Silverdocs, the AFI/Discovery Channel Documentary Film Festival over the weekend of June 21st & 22nd, where both screenings were once again met with standing ovations; Silverdocs nominated Dear Zachary for its inaugural Writers Guild of America Documentary Screenplay Award. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Any reference to Turner as a flight risk, for instance, is accompanied by birdsong and pictures of flying pigeons. Previously, Kate was a Founder & Executive Director at Read More Kate Bagby's Phone Number and Email Last Update 11/14/2022 10:26 AM Email k***@mothersagainstmurder.org Engage via Email Contact Number (***) ***-**** Engage via Phone Mobile Number Skewed imagery. Bad things tend not to announce themselves, they just kind of land right on your head. Subscribe here. But how? Such choices make for a disorienting viewing experience, especially if youre accustomed to the conventions of slicker documentaries. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. Oh my god. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. Lori Kaufman rw. Dear Zachary - For those who've asked how Kate & David - Facebook Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father - Wikipedia When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. This is where the foreshadowed bureaucracy comes back. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. The documentary was originally released in 2008. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. Help contribute to IMDb. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. One of those forgettable pieces of solipsistic pseudo-art that is essentially just a scrapbook that was released to the public and then everyone just said it was good because no one wanted to hurt anyones feelings. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). You dont leave it behind. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. -, "When this haunting, shattering film made its premiere at Park City's Slamdance Film Festival, it received the most sustained ovation of any film I saw this year in Park City. Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. David Bagby. Published by Statesville Record & Landmark on. Without access, without favor, without discretion, and without interference. Imagine it. A True-Crime Story That Puts the Victims First | The New Yorker Couldn't be her. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. May 16, 2008: Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. A judge called Andrews murder a vicious crime, but did not consider Turner a risk to others. September 28, 2008: -Drafted and finalized press releases, articles, annual reports, websites, earnings releases and investor . For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. He laughs as he recalls images of Zachary running up and down a hall, saying that is a joy. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. Dear Zachary was the most honored film at Cinequest 18 in San Jose, receiving sustained standing ovations from packed houses at all 3 screenings and winning 2 awards - a Special Jury Award for Documentary Feature and the Audience Award. You can, just--there's nothing. Blood red screen. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. They've retired, hang out with friends and travel a bit, David Bagby said. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. Also, today MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland introduced a bill in Parliament for its first reading that proposes a modification to Canada's bail code that would justify detention in custody for a suspect who is a potential danger to their own minor children. Dear Zachary was then voted the #3 audience favorite of the festival by viewer ballot, out of the 172 distinguished documentaries screening at Hot Docs. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. Slamdance Film Festival book signing! Except, OK, sometimes not. There were moments when something happened that had my heart beating so fast I became lightheaded and had to refocus myself. Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. Bagby Scholarship | Excela Health us around. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. It's. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. He said, `What do you mean?' A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. decision. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? If you were waiting to find out where exactly the comfort was in this litany of suffering, it is in Bagbys parents. I had a job I loved. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. Add a bio, trivia, and more. She would never go away. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. He seems to be talking about the unfathomable grief Shirley Jane Turner left behind. Dear Zachary had its Canadian premiere at the Hot Docs International Documentary Film Festival in Toronto, where it was welcomed by a line down the street and around the block to get in. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. We urge you to write your MP (if you're Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if you're not) in support of MP Andrews' bill; the next few months are a crucial time. USA | Canada | UK, Original poster artwork by Evan B. Harris, Proceeds from this film benefit the Dr. Bagby Scholarship and the Dr. Andrew Bagby and son Zachary Bursary, Watch this short film to see the quest to complete Dear Zachary and amend Canadian bail law. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Then, suddenly, tears. I'm tired of this. (SPOILER WARNING: Do not watch this short until you have seen Dear Zachary. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. ', KATE: He's so loved. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. You are born, you grow up, you make friends, you get a job, a partner, a house, maybe a car, maybe a kid, maybe more. You know? An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. Wow." SCREAMS. In the early years, that included David writing a book, Dance With the Devil, about his sons and grandsons murders, and Kuennes documentary. It brings its own special brand of. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. "Go into this cold and be prepared for a life-changing experience. You take it with you, but you move on, said David. At least he might have asleep when she went in. -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap.