These are simply unverified rumors. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges. In addition, we may have more documents. We doubt if she did contact his wife. He is one of the first and only witnesses in this case!!. And if it was 43 seconds, it would be on Libbys phone! There are many people who confuse him with PB in comments and videos. Kirts knew those backwoods just as good & probably better than Logan didI dunno man, the motive is dead on too (his beast of a girlfriend Garth getting locked up & losing custody of her son because of Libertys dad snitching for jail time easingI first thought this was a serial crimeNow, after looking at a lot more of the detail (& coming in to this in December 21, with most of the pertinent activity already have taken place), Id say chances of it being serial are probably less than 1%. The problem with this is that a searcher claims he searched the area where the girls were found the night of 2-13 and not only were the girls not there but none of the props were there either. Remember that they came out with a pair of boots? If the killer had that weird and I would assume rare fetish with the sticks, branches and stakes, maybe the local sex workers may know exactly who it is? Even after the girls were recovered, Mr. X stayed around through all of the media and police hubbub for the next eight hours, from 12:30 PM to 8:30 PM, so his truck was out at the crime scene for 26 full hours, with Mr X presumably with it the entire time. Furthermore, almost nothing of consequence is being said, and it reminds you of a night with your friends drinking, and no one says one thing of importance for hours. Sorry, Ive been a bit down lately. Bottom line is the quality of our sources has increased dramatically over time. The bodies were found on property belonging to Ronald Logan. A blogger/sleuthed named Robert Lindsay supposedly has one on his site, there's a camera flashing on it. Let us know if you want to join the private sleuthing site where we can talk about this stuff in much greater detail than we do out here. I read 1 of them is still in grief counseling for it- so im pretty sure she doesnt wanna talk about it. FBI agent: Bodies 'moved and staged' in Delphi murders, suspect took Education history: Primary and junior high unknown. BG was dressed in clothes similar to what Ron wore, and he took the girls to Rons land and killed them there. There are unconfirmed rumors Mr. Xs truck was towed after his wife never came to bring the car keys and that Mr. Xs truck was never searched by police. It says they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, etc. Robert, have you heard that Mr X had a deer blind on the Mears property? Some claims are listed as unverified. Forgive me if someone else posted this.but the FBI was called in immediately. The Indiana State Police on Friday made progress in the 2017 cold case, commonly known as the Delphi murders. It is interesting that they are looking for precisely 43 seconds of audio. Recently moved to a small city nearby, possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime. Libby also shared a snap of herself walking along the same railroad tracks on the day of her murder, with the Snapchat updates causing a sensation that made the case one of the United States' most notorious unsolved murders. He was like a manager there or something, in Delphi!!! We have no idea why the order was issued. This person was going to share the pictures regardless, they just wanted to be asked first to make themselves feel better is my guess. The sheriffs deputy did not work on the case. That person is probably some local creep getting revenge since those girls parents were into the same bullchit. For whatever reason, she confuses facts all the time and cant keep her stories straight. Consequently, the accuracy of our statements should go up a lot too. R/LibbyandAbby is awful, but its a lot better than r/DelphiMurders. How often to killers, of children or otherwise, take fucking photos and videos of their goddamned crimes? I cant see where this is! Ive never heard about all these details this is crazy. I read your recent blogs about the Delphi murders, and you have a ton of info. Pay at least $20 for lifetime membership to my PayPal. The case for Mr. X is as solid as ever. No ones been hurt by this case more than Becky Patty. Even after the arrest of a suspect on Oct. 26, police have declined to answer most questions about the case, saying they don't want to jeopardize the prosecution. I also believe 1) that all of the dolls found there were not put there after the crime but that this was an area that the perpetrator visited often to perform some kind of sadistic acts using the dolls, 2) that he was at that site when he perhaps saw and/or used binoculars to spot the girls on the bridge, 3)went to the bridge and then took the girls to his sadistic-acts place to perform those acts on live persons. A number of strange objects were found around the Evansdale girls similar to the bizarre images decorating the Delphi crime scene. Get real. Not so much for 15 year old girls. They were reported missing two hours after they didn't show up for their ride home, and their bodies were found the following day about half a mile away from the bridge. There are 244 comments there. Is there any meaning to these numbers or is he just playing sneaky, tricky games with us like these guys often do. The Delphi Murders: Four years later and still no arrests - WRTV R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer. Old Abigail Abby Williams. Instead, their families are holding on to the hope that this is the year their killer is brought to justice. Long, 22 pages. If a perpetrator staged the scene, they did that for their benefit. Another one of the videos had what Im assuming is a LinkedIn profile of some sort spliced into the slide show for a brief moment. Hey, its a capitalist country, right? Police cleared nations as a suspect. (WISH) Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8. This claims are quite dubious and we dont suggest anyone put any weight into them. Indiana State Police's analysis of Allen's gun "determined the unspent round located within two feet" of one of the victims "had been cycled through Richard M. Allen's Sig Sauer Model P226," the probable cause affidavit said. It is important to note that the validity of the text messages has not and cannot be corroborated at this time. He is currently serving life in prison for his St. Louis crime. And Mr X was involved in a Christian teen club! One person wins and everyone else loses. Those aspects of the crime are the following: We feel that these facts are validated because in 1-3, they were seen by us in the crime scene photos and also by a female search party member at the scene, in 4, they were seen by two separate female search party members who had never talked to each other, and in 5, it was verified by a conversation with the girls guardian herself backed up by a postmortem photo. I am not revealing the name of the main suspect here and will only refer to him as Mr. X. I also request all commenters to also refer to him as Mr. X. I do this as a simple measure to try to protect his identity. Apologies if this has been covered here before, but the rumor that Libby was found shirtless and nearly decapitated and that Abby was found still clothed and posed with her hands folded, does anyone know exactly how it originated and if there is anything circumstantial to back it . The last person on Earth to protect the killer is poor Becky Patty, God bless her mortal soul. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. Actually, Jack, the families do not know at all. Thank you for all the work on the Delphi case. If comments start getting out of hand please feel free to report, though. Is he into numerology? Until then, the enemies will keep attacking. Mr. X was a senior in high school at the time. This person is externalizing their pain into rage and projecting it outwards at the world. I want to be respectful to someone who is innocent until proven guilty also. Where is the balance? Clearly very familiar with the area of the crime and perhaps knew it as well as the back of his hand. The girls bodies were found near a hiking trail on February 14, 2017 a day after they went missing while on a walk during a day off from school. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. The crime was committed in February 13 or 2/13. So that means he killed these girls because theyre chicks too! Doesnt sound like a logical progression of thought to me. But its definitely him! If he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck, he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and used them to stage it with the objects. Feel free to post about any unsolved case you think is interesting, high profile preferred. Im not sure if its better that way or not. We believe that the running away and months of therapy were also staged. In other words, they were faked. I showed a few friends who knew nothing of the case and they didnt see anything either. Another document we have is another search warrant, this time for the Maxwell property. Aaron Keller May 17th, 2022, 8:19 pm. Still in Delphi, or on the border of Delphi. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the shows founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesdays Crime Stories to discuss the case. Its at his home on a shelf! They also acknowledge that SSA, or same sex attraction is a logical process for a lot of men. No one else has come close to uncovering the amount and quality of information we have. We currently feel that this is the best explanation of the facts. Garrett said he hopes investigators went to all of the local gun stores to see their records of sales of .40-caliber-type weapons. What? If you met me, you would laugh at them for saying that. Holder has an alibi that he was working out at a gym at the time. Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. But no, that was not the case. Today is the day.. Its more secure. A press conference is expected Monday morning. Police investigating the mysterious Delphi, Indiana, murders are looking for the person who, they said, created fake Snapchat and Instagram profiles, posed as a wealthy male model and contacted underage girls. They were folded on her chest. Of course, there are trolls saying that the information Ive given is info thats already known. No, LK is the real deal. BA, Journalism, Cal State University Long Beach, 1981. No one knows if they talked to Ron about Mr. X. I doubt it because Ron keeps saying the killer is this Garrett Kirts, and its not him. It's interesting to look at anyway. Allen told investigators on Oct. 13, 2022, that he wore jeans and a blue or black Carhartt jacket that day, according to the probable cause affidavit. No, they are obviously looking for photos and videos that the killer took as part of this crime. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Police Handout. As far as my theories, I made a video (see here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IIoxYhsduLQ) that outlines the visions held a couple of days upon learning of this crime. I think he already knew that they would be there. The two men may have been working at the Tyson plant in Logansport, Indiana and may have been shipped to the sister Tyson plant in Waterloo, Iowa, where they were put up temporarily in motels for months at a time. They have their own sources. Very hard to really tell anything a lot of shadows from trees and debris on ground. ABC News Evidence in the Delphi, Indiana, double murder case was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details, including that suspect Richard Allen's gun was linked to the crime scene. Paul Etter: A 55 year old local man of many interests. Come on, people. "In a small town, in a place where there's a small amount of traffic on this abandoned railroad bridge your suspect pool is fairly small," Garrett said, so police likely concentrated their investigation on Delphi and the surrounding communities. One seems to be PNB and the other is RRB. I do not know why RRB is? LE still has access to the conviction. In the Delphi case, a signature could be very evident if both victims . We also dont know what he was doing searching down there that night. Interestingly, I had NO idea who you were (sorry). They showed the boots in an evidence bag to the media later on that night, and they said, Oh, this is nothing. Not important? Of course Ron Logan didnt do it. Im actually a rather shy, introverted, cautious, and extremely polite person who is terrified of making people mad, getting called creepy, offending people, etc. Im not familiar with Indiana; Ive never been there. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing, the agent wrote. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, This is a community where we can speak openly about the Murders of Libby and Abby in Delphi, IN, Press J to jump to the feed. The problem is that there is a main suspect in the case, and it is known that he was near the crime scene from 6:30 PM on the 13th until 9:30 PM on the 14th. Obviously this is the only type of personality that is capable of podcasting an egomaniac on the other hand, their personality pathology limits the usefulness of their shows. Oh, one more thing, Jim. Can you believe that I said that on Facebook, and some retarded ass computer flagged it and banned me for a while for insulting another user? The dolls may have been placed there before the crime. We do not have a copy of that gag order, but we were told that one had been issued by the courts. Instead pay attention to this new sketch, some kid. Thanks, Mike! We now have a better time frame for Mr. Xs truck being parked at the cemetery. Bob Matlock, owner of the now-closed Jessies Bar & Grill, said Richard Matthews Allen and his wife were regular customers, often talking about the murders of 14-year-old Liberty Libby German and 13-year-old in 2017. 43 seconds of audio. Relationship with older daughter and stepson: Unknown. We believe he could have been staging that elaborate crime scene during that time. On Feb. 13, 2017, the two best He saved society a lot of money by eating a bullet, freeing up some fresh air and making the world the tiniest bit of a better place. Also there are rumors that the girl left a note explain her pregnancy in a tree in her backyard. It would have to be a day or two before people would think to look. Will be posted by Saturday, March 11th. Alan, a 50-year-old married father of two children and a CVS technician, was taken into custody Friday and charged with two counts of manslaughter for the mysterious murders in Delphi. He concurred that a high error rate is normal early in the investigation and he also said that by 4-5 years later, you may well get a much clearer picture of the crime. 8) He drives an older model Ford Ranger type of truck. He is said to haveadmitted talking to Libby German using a fake Instagram profile called Anthony_shots. There's verbiage that suggests 1) Source has vendettas against specific individuals and groups; 2) Repeated disclaimers (thou doth protest too much). What that has to do with anything is not known. Found an interesting article regarding the act of stating and posing bodies. So, the girls were found on RLs property. Forgive me if Ive missed this, but whats keeping police from arresting this guy? It is currently unclear what the. Hes a local executive of a government function or perhaps better yet a nonprofit of some sort. And although hes no no saint, I dont think he has it in him to commit a crime like this. Watch on Oops, we couldn't find that track. The only case I am familiar with is the Bittaker-Norris Murders in Southern California. BG threw toilet cleaner over the girls and every object at the crime scene, thereby eliminating most if not all of the usable DNA. The arrest of Allen could be the end of a years-long investigation during which numerous possible leads have led nowhere, and police have remained tight-lipped about details of the case. A statement was made that said the scene was horrific. We think the girl knew she was pregnant. Police officers announced about the Delphi massacre. Residence at time of crime: Delphi, Indiana since 1984. Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, is allegedly the man behind a fake social media account that investigators. The only crime on Mr. Xs record is an expunged conviction for statutory rape from 1984 in Indiana when he 18 and the girl was 14. Welcome to the site! Thats very embarrassing. Can you spell out the name? It was all over by 3:30 PM. I believe that came from the leaked DE texts, and I would really like to know if that has ever been confirmed by anyone in LE. I doubt it. Their bodies were discovered the next day in a wooded area around half a mile off the trail. It was posted to Facebook by Allen's wife Kathy, 50, in 2018 - just over a year after the girls disappeared in February 2017, although it's unclear when the photo was taken. Kelsi has been investigated quite a bit, and she has been interviewed a few times by the FBI, including a couple of times at her school. And Im sure that the Delphi police could say the same thing. 2-13 again. According to Business Insider senior reporter and co-founder of The Murder Sheet podcast, ine Cain, Libby had an interaction with Kline on Instagram but thought she was interacting with the person in a photo Kline posted as himself, in an attempt to catfish young girls into sending nude photos. However, shouldnt that same exact principle/logic apply to Mr. X? Knives. I also believe there are other factors at play here possibly being protected and I dont think LE wants the truth of what happened to Abby and Libby to come out for whatever reason. It is certainly an interesting question, is it not? Maybe he sent it to Libbys phone. - November 30, 2022 Delphi murders leaked texts revealed the evidence behind the brutal death of two teenage girls who went out to spend their day off but met a very tragic end. I am a retired Detective Chief previously responsible for the Criminal Investigation Department and all of the 80 plus detectives within as well as a senior investigative officer with experience of leading murder enquiries. She described his eyes as dark and evil. Id prefer stuff thats in the papers. Indiana police looked into Bruce in connection to the Delphi murders, but no charges have been handed down. These are the only claims that people can hold us to because with all the rest, we openly admit that the claims are Unverified, so we should not be held to any of those claims. Affidavit gives new updates on Dephi murders The March 17, 2017, affidavit sheds lights on the crime scene. The Hanish & Bowen case have revealed this for them (thus the new direction & young BG sketch & ditching of old BG sketch in 2019 a month after Hanish)I bet Hanish was catfished using that Anthony_Shots account toohe mustve been told or overheard info about the Delphi murders & therefore removedBowen removed for either the same thing or fact she knew the truth behind Hanish murder (b/c I definitely am not buying that Kirts is bisexual & choked him out during a weird sexcapade, gimme a break). I appreciate the poster (killingvector) who put up the imgur pics, but I honestly couldnt make heads or tails out of them. I like some of these guys. Dolls were hanging from trees at the crime scene. Could be to cover their own asses. I guess I also wonder how everyone put such and effort to look only a few hours after being missing. The FBI has released a description for the suspect, which is that he is a white male between 5'6" and 5'8" tall. Give it a rest, everyone. Dad is BG and KAK is waiting under the bridge. We believe that this happened in the first place because a photo exists of a truck being towed from the CPS building around February 14. After posting a few updates on Snapchat in the early afternoon hours, the girls were not seen or heard from again.